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! Person !! Qualifier !! Event !! Notes
! Person !! Qualifier !! Event !! Notes
|-
|-
| [[WOODFALL, William (1745 - 1803) ‹ LBT 16027 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || George Turner  [[TURNER, George ‹ LBT 23319 ›|(LBT/23319)]]
| [[SMITH, Henry ‹ LBT 16984 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Theophilus John Carnegy [[CARNEGY, Theophilus John ( - 1777) ‹ LBT 16976 ›|(LBT/16976)]]
|-
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[MATTOCKS, William ‹ LBT 15930 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Thomas Bailey [[BAILEY, Thomas ‹ LBT 20730 ›|(LBT/20730)]]
| [[LOCHEED, Robert ‹ LBT 19140 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude || - by William Bowyer [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›|(LBT/16546)]]
|-
|-
| [[TURNER, Daniel ‹ LBT 16235 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Galpine Baxter [[BAXTER, Galpine ( - 1795) ‹ LBT 22666 ›|(LBT/22666)]]
| [[TURNER, Daniel ‹ LBT 16235 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Galpine Baxter [[BAXTER, Galpine ( - 1795) ‹ LBT 22666 ›|(LBT/22666)]]
|-
|-
| [[TEMPEST, Pearce ‹ LBT 16536 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
| [[WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Appr - Freedom || Robert Locheed [[LOCHEED, Robert ‹ LBT 19140 ›|(LBT/19140)]]
| [[JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[CARNEGY, Theophilus John ( - 1777) ‹ LBT 16976 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Henry Smith [[SMITH, Henry ‹ LBT 16984 ›|(LBT/16984)]]
| [[HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[SMITH, Henry ‹ LBT 16984 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Theophilus John Carnegy [[CARNEGY, Theophilus John ( - 1777) ‹ LBT 16976 ›|(LBT/16976)]]
| [[WOODFALL, William (1745 - 1803) ‹ LBT 16027 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || George Turner  [[TURNER, George ‹ LBT 23319 ›|(LBT/23319)]]
|-
|-
| [[WHITCHURCH, William ‹ LBT 18002 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Matthew Smith [[SMITH, Matthew ‹ LBT 22987 ›|(LBT/22987)]]
| [[BAKER, John ‹ LBT 20848 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
|-
|-
| [[LOCHEED, Robert ‹ LBT 19140 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude || - by William Bowyer [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›|(LBT/16546)]]
| [[WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[BAILEY, Thomas ‹ LBT 20730 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || William Mattocks [[MATTOCKS, William ‹ LBT 15930 ›|(LBT/15930)]]
| [[HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[TURNER, George ‹ LBT 23319 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Woodfall
|-
|-
| [[OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[BAKER, John ‹ LBT 20848 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
| [[POLLARD, William ‹ LBT 23289 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || John Sutton [[SUTTON, John ‹ LBT 21115 ›|(LBT/21115)]]
|-
|-
| [[SUTTON, John ‹ LBT 21115 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Pollard [[POLLARD, William ‹ LBT 23289 ›|(LBT/23289)]]
| [[MATTOCKS, William ‹ LBT 15930 ›]] ||  || Bound || to Thomas Bailey [[BAILEY, Thomas ‹ LBT 20730 ›|(LBT/20730)]]
|-
|-
| [[GILES, John ‹ LBT 22012 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
| [[OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[BAXTER, Galpine ( - 1795) ‹ LBT 22666 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Daniel Turner  [[TURNER, Daniel ‹ LBT 16235 ›|(LBT/16235)]]
| [[WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[SMITH, Matthew ‹ LBT 22987 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Whitchurch
| [[NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[POLLARD, William ‹ LBT 23289 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || John Sutton [[SUTTON, John ‹ LBT 21115 ›|(LBT/21115)]]
| [[VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[TURNER, George ‹ LBT 23319 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Woodfall
| [[BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Upper Warden}
| [[VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Upper Warden}
|-
|-
| [[COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
| [[CARNEGY, Theophilus John ( - 1777) ‹ LBT 16976 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Henry Smith [[SMITH, Henry ‹ LBT 16984 ›|(LBT/16984)]]
|-
|-
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Under Warden}
|-
|-
| [[PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Under Warden}
| [[TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
| [[JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Master}
| [[JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Master}
|-
|-
| [[BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Upper Warden}
|-
|-
| [[MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[HODGES, James (sir) ‹ LBT 20611 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[TEMPEST, Pearce ‹ LBT 16536 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
|-
|-
| [[NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[BAXTER, Galpine ( - 1795) ‹ LBT 22666 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Daniel Turner  [[TURNER, Daniel ‹ LBT 16235 ›|(LBT/16235)]]
|-
|-
| [[HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[GILES, John ‹ LBT 22012 ›]] ||  || Freed - Servitude ||  
|-
|-
| [[STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[HODGES, James (sir) ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20611 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
| [[WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
| [[WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
| [[VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Upper Warden}
|-
|-
| [[COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Under Warden}
| [[OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[SUTTON, John ‹ LBT 21115 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Pollard [[POLLARD, William ‹ LBT 23289 ›|(LBT/23289)]]
|-
|-
| [[OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[SMITH, Matthew ‹ LBT 22987 ›]] ||  || Bound || to William Whitchurch
|-
|-
| [[HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Appr - Freedom || Robert Locheed [[LOCHEED, Robert ‹ LBT 19140 ›|(LBT/19140)]]
|-
|-
| [[JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Master}
| [[GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Under Warden}
|-
|-
| [[BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[HODGES, James (sir) ‹ LBT 20611 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[HODGES, James (sir) ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20611 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
| [[WHITCHURCH, William ‹ LBT 18002 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || Matthew Smith [[SMITH, Matthew ‹ LBT 22987 ›|(LBT/22987)]]
|-
| [[PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
| [[BAILEY, Thomas ‹ LBT 20730 ›]] ||  || Appr - Binding || William Mattocks [[MATTOCKS, William ‹ LBT 15930 ›|(LBT/15930)]]
|-
| [[JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended {Master}
|-
|-
| [[VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 ›]] ||  || Court || Absent
|-
|-
| [[WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
|-
| [[WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
| [[BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|-
| [[WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 ›]] ||  || Court || Attended
|}
|}


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Latest revision as of 09:20, 22 April 2026

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3 Oct 1769

Calendar diary

Day Regnal year Event
Tuesday 9 George lll St.Co. - Court

People events

Person Qualifier Event Notes
SMITH, Henry ‹ LBT 16984 › Bound to Theophilus John Carnegy (LBT/16976)
BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 › Court Attended
LOCHEED, Robert ‹ LBT 19140 › Freed - Servitude - by William Bowyer (LBT/16546)
TURNER, Daniel ‹ LBT 16235 › Bound to Galpine Baxter (LBT/22666)
WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 › Court Attended
JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 › Court Attended
HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 › Court Attended
WOODFALL, William (1745 - 1803) ‹ LBT 16027 › Appr - Binding George Turner (LBT/23319)
BAKER, John ‹ LBT 20848 › Freed - Servitude
WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 › Court Absent
HUGHES, John ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 19244 › Court Attended
TURNER, George ‹ LBT 23319 › Bound to William Woodfall
WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 › Court Attended
POLLARD, William ‹ LBT 23289 › Appr - Binding John Sutton (LBT/21115)
MATTOCKS, William ‹ LBT 15930 › Bound to Thomas Bailey (LBT/20730)
OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 › Court Absent
WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 › Court Attended
NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 › Court Attended
VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 › Court Attended
BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 › Court Attended
VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 › Court Attended {Upper Warden}
BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 › Court Attended
CARNEGY, Theophilus John ( - 1777) ‹ LBT 16976 › Appr - Binding Henry Smith (LBT/16984)
GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 › Court Attended {Under Warden}
OSBORN, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20709 › Court Absent
TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 › Court Absent
MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 › Court Absent
OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 › Court Absent
TONSON, Richard ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 22631 › Court Absent
WALLER, Thomas ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20729 › Court Absent
JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 › Court Attended {Master}
VAILLANT, Paul (1715 - 1802) ‹ LBT 16034 › Court Attended {Upper Warden}
JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 › Court Absent
TEMPEST, Pearce ‹ LBT 16536 › Freed - Servitude
BAILEY, James (1707 - 1776) ‹ LBT 18448 › Court Attended
MARCH, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 20471 › Court Absent
BAXTER, Galpine ( - 1795) ‹ LBT 22666 › Appr - Binding Daniel Turner (LBT/16235)
GILES, John ‹ LBT 22012 › Freed - Servitude
HODGES, James (sir) ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20611 › Court Absent
PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 › Court Absent
VOWELL, John (1708 - 1801) ‹ LBT 22742 › Court Attended
WILDE, Allington (bap. 1699 - 1770) ‹ LBT 23065 › Court Attended
COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 › Court Absent
STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 › Court Attended
JENOUR, Joshua ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 19537 › Court Attended
OWEN, Edward ( - 1771) ‹ LBT 18595 › Court Absent
SUTTON, John ‹ LBT 21115 › Bound to William Pollard (LBT/23289)
SMITH, Matthew ‹ LBT 22987 › Bound to William Whitchurch
COLES, John ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 16093 › Court Absent
JANSSEN, Stephen Theodore (sir) (1705 - 1777) ‹ LBT 19490 › Court Absent
BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 › Appr - Freedom Robert Locheed (LBT/19140)
GAMULL, Thomas ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 18426 › Court Attended {Under Warden}
HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 › Court Absent
NUTT, Richard (bap. 1694 - 1780) ‹ LBT 20656 › Court Attended
HODGES, James (sir) ( - 1774) ‹ LBT 20611 › Court Absent
WOODFALL, George ( - 1772) ‹ LBT 23274 › Court Attended
BOWYER, William (1699 - 1777) ‹ LBT 16546 › Court Attended
STRAHAN, William (1715 - 1785) ‹ LBT 22428 › Court Attended
WHITCHURCH, William ‹ LBT 18002 › Appr - Binding Matthew Smith (LBT/22987)
PEELE, John ( - 1770) ‹ LBT 16700 › Court Absent
BAILEY, Thomas ‹ LBT 20730 › Appr - Binding William Mattocks (LBT/15930)
JENOUR, Mathew ( - 1785) ‹ LBT 19539 › Court Attended {Master}
HARRIS, Charles ( - 1781) ‹ LBT 21439 › Court Absent
WALKDEN, Richard ( - 1780) ‹ LBT 22765 › Court Attended
BEECROFT, John ( - 1779) ‹ LBT 19746 › Court Attended
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